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Christian: Smashing Idols, I believe what God’s word says just as you do, yet seeing the unfolding differently obviously. God promise that his people would return back to their homeland. Read Jeremiah 31:10 for it is being fulfilled.

 

‘Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd does his flock’.

 

When he scattered them they lived in Israel. Israel was their homeland. Just as you quoted on John’s wall this scripture…

 

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are NOT all Israel, which are of Israel:
neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (Romans 9:6-8 KJVA)

 

It isn’t saying all of the bloodline of the Israelites turn away from God, but indeed a lot of them did. The children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

me: Who  are the children of the promise according to scripture, Christian? What in scripture differentiates who is in covenant with God, and who isn’t? Rom 11 says there was a remnant of Jews in the first century who were grafted into the vine, by faith. Faith is confidence, so were they graffed into the vine by confidence in the FLESH, or confidence in Jesus? Jesus said “I AM the vine” in Jn 15:1.  Jesus said he alone is the way to the Father; that no man comes to [enters into covenant with] the Father but by me” in Jn 14:6. John the Baptist warned the Jews not to take any confidence that being born a Jew would resolve their sin, or assure them any place in God’s covenant Mat 3:7-12. Moses had told them that if they refused to hear the messiah, they would be destroyed Acts 3:22-23. Paul said he was an Israelite, and had a lot he could boast about before the Jews, but he counted it all as dung to win Christ’s approval, not man’s.
Php 3:2  Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.[Those who promote circumcision of the flesh]
Php 3:3  For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Php 3:4  Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:5  Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6  Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Php 3:7  But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8  Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9  And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10  That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11  If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

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Why don’t we find Paul hoping for, or preaching hope for a Jewish restoration of land ownership in this passage, or anywhere else? He preached the resurrection as the only hope, for both Jews and Gentiles, and that the only way to obtain it is through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord, not by being born a Jew.

The apostles knew that both Christ’s and Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy had warned of the soon coming destruction of Jerusalem and of the temple (Dan 9:24-27; Mat 23:37-39) (at least during John’s lifetime), and they came to understand that God no longer accepted temple ceremony or animal sacrifice after the temple veil was rent (the day the final acceptable sacrifice was made; the fulfillment of all the OT sacrifices). They realized that the NEW covenant had superseded the old, and that the old covenant had passed away, never to be resurrected again. (2Cor 3; Heb 8)

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Mat 23:37  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Joh 8:21  Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins
24 for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Mat 23:39  For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord {Jesus Christ}.
Joh 8:47  He that is of God heareth God’s words [Jn1:14]: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth…

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Christian: In Roman 11:26, it says and so all Israel shall be Saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. These are they who will be returning back as God has promised.

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me: Absolutely! But Rom 11 says nothing about Jews returning to a portion of land, but returning to God by faith in Jesus. As God promised, all through the OT and the NT, the only acceptable “return” to God is by faith in Jesus!  “All Israel” includes all believing Jews and Gentiles, because God has made all men of one blood [Act 17:26], and there is “no difference”! By faith, “all Israel” has the heavenly hope through covenanting with God by the blood of Jesus Christ!

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Christian: There will be deliverance unto the people of Israel.

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me:  There IS deliverance for the Jews and for the world only through faith in Christ. God is not a Calvinist; he forces no one’s deliverance on them. All land and restoration promises were fulfilled, first in Joshuah’s day, then in Ezra’s day, after the rebuilding. No future rebuilding is prophesied in scripture, no restoration to the land as a nation for either unbelievers or believing Jews.

How utterly false it is to extend a hope of land restoration (even if there WERE such a hope) to unbelieving, sinning Jews, who believe neither Moses nor Jesus! [John 5:46]. God only restored the land to a remnant of Israel who believed his word.  In promising any sort of restoration to wicked Jews who reject Christ, we would be like those who assure Catholics that they are all saved – while they continue praying to Mary and falling down to worship graven images.
I’m Jewish. Am I supposed to pack up and move to Israel? Is that where my deliverance is?

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Christian: Yes, their land was taken away because of their hardness & unrepentant heart. With that said… some Jewish people are not part of the chosen people any longer, but still under rebellion, who are going to use people unto scaring them by the Word of God.  Even people here in the USA do this same tactic. The promise is only due to the faithful ones who believed in what the fulfilling of the prophecy says. [emphasis mine]

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me: But I do believe the prophecy – and its fulfillment — it already happened — during Ezra’s time. The promise is only to those who believe.

But what is the “promise”? Is it not eternal life in an immortal body…to all who practice FAITH in Jesus Christ? God’s promise is the same to all who believe, because he is no respecter of persons.

If I did not believe God’s word: if I denied the fulfillment of Jeremiah and Ezekiel’s prophecies concerning Ezra’s day, and if I ignored what Moses warned concerning the destruction of everyone who rebels against God’s covenant; against all who reject the messiah… if I ignored the warning that John the baptist gave all unbelievers among Abraham’s fleshly seed, {who vainly trusted in the flesh: “We be Abraham’s seed”}, and if I rejected Christ’s warning to Jews in Jn 6:63 – that “the flesh profits nothing”, and if I had rejected the light in Gal 3, Rom 9:6-8, Rom 2:28-29, 2Cor 3, Hebrews, 1Pet 2, and scores of other places throughout scripture, concerning how that God intended to bring into his covenant and save believing Gentiles — I may be as willing as those in Israel today to take up a gun, and go murder and steal land from the heathen in order to fulfill (what in my deceived mind would be) God’s ‘unconditional’ promise of land for the Jews. I might even be deceived into thinking I should now go live in Israel, or I’d not be believing God!

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Christian: My friend was wondering the same thing as you, but he didn’t throw out falsehoods because of lacking to understand. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is over who gets what land and how it’s controlled.

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me: How is Jesus involved in the present Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Is Jesus fighting for Israel so they can kill Palestinians and take the land away from people who have been living there for 2000 years? The land of Israel had only been given to believers of God’s word centuries ago, under the condition that they continue obeying God’s word, not under the condition that they be Jews. I don’t believe that God is today giving that land to Jews (whether they believe in Jesus or not) under the condition that they must believe an ancient fulfilled prophecy applies to them, and that they must fulfill it again.

Is it true that, that, in spite of the fact that Jesus [God] said his servants do not fight {Jn 18:36}, must be harmless as doves {Mat 10:16}, must love their enemies in order to be God’s children {Mat 5:44-48}, and give their cloak to someone who steals their coat {Mat 5:40} –that Jesus is helping Zionist Jews act completely contrary to the gospel so they can control a portion of  land, which is the idol of many? And are we to believe that this is God’s will? Because I’m Jewish, should I join them in this horrible bloodshed, that Zionism might appear to the world to fulfill a prophecy again a second time, which was already fulfilled during Ezra’s time-to a specific group of obedient Jews?

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Christian: Today’s lines largely reflect the outcomes of two of these wars, one waged in 1948 and another in 1967. The 1967 war is particularly important for today’s conflict, as it left Israel in control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, two territories home to large Palestinian populations for they still live there. It is the Muslims who want that control back. The Jewish people are being attack by Muslims just as the Muslims are attacking people here in the USA.

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me: Had the Jews {or anyone else} attacked and stole land from any people living anywhere else, as they did in 1948, wouldn’t anyone else have certainly retaliated? Are we to believe that the Zionist Jews had a God-given right and privilege to terrorize the Palestinians – because they were Jewish? Is there no racism in supposing such a thing? Should the unsaved Palestinians have been (and will they ever be) content to be attacked, and not retaliate – because it was Jews who attacked them? Should they have understood that it was time to pack up and leave the land, because those (who many imagine to be) “The Children of God” and “God’s chosen people” (who reject Jesus Christ, and for centuries haven’t been in covenant with God because of unbelief) had arrived, and that no one has any right but to defend themselves but the Jews?

Woah, let’s back up here a little and think about that idea –

“The Children of God – God’s chosen people who reject Jesus Christ” … isn’t that an impossible oxymoron?

If the Zionists came and bulldozed your house as you slept, and then shot your brother, then your sisters, then your parents as they tried to flee, what would you say to someone if they accused you of being “antisemitic” if you were seen later throwing rocks at Jewish tanks?

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Christian: So, in defense they (Jews) are fighting back, to which I don’t condone. It is God who will stop this fighting.

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me: But how will God stop this fighting? By giving the Jews power to annihilate the Palestinian Christians, muslims, and everyone else living there? Is it God who started this war in 1948 to fulfill prophecy, or was it the Zionists?

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Christian: I even said that on my wall to a brother “And give the land to the rightful children of God.”

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me: Multiple passages of scripture make clear that a “child of God” is one ONLY BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, NOT BY FLESHLY RACE. Who has bewitched the multitudes into believing and teaching that murderers, thieves, and unbelieving antichrists are the “Children of God?” because of their race?

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Christian: As it is written: Ezekiel 28:25,26 This says the LORD God: When I shall have gathered the ‘House of ISRAEL’

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me: For they are NOT all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (Romans 9:6-8)

Gal 3:16  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

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“Israel” IS Christ!

And who is “Israel”?

Gal 3:7  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal 3:8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. (In CHRIST)

Gal 3:9  So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:14  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit  through faith.

Gal 3:26  For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29  And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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 My prayer for you is this, Christian: it is, that if you don’t remember, or think anything I’ve said here has any significance, that you will at least acknowledge the great significance of this verse and of verse 14.

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Christian: As it is written: Ezekiel 28:25,26 This says the LORD God: When I shall have gathered the ‘House of ISRAEL’ from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the Nations {heathen}, THEN SHALL THEY DWELL IN THEIR LAND that I have given to My servant, Jacob. AND THEY SHALL DWELL SAFELY IN IT  {therein}, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have EXECUTED judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God. (Genesis 12:3; Psalm 41:13)

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As I see it the Prophesy is being fulfilled while the sinners fight among themselves neither will inherit the land. [emphasis mine]

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me:  Amen to what you said, that I emphasized in bold!

Are these unbelieving, sinning Jews safe, because they’re Jews? I agree that both sides [muslims and Zionists] are sinners who will never inherit anything from God but unrest, and if they don’t repent in faith in Jesus, they will all go to hell, Jew or Gentile, for with God there is no respect of persons [Rom 2].

 

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Christian: The way you are coming across to me and this is why I have been silence in case I am misunderstanding you also. Your stance reminds me of the crowd crying out to free ‘Barabbas’.

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me: So I am like those who cried “crucify Jesus”? So if I were to justify the theft and murder guilt of my own race, the Jews, then God would bless me for blessing them?

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Christian: Barabbas was a killer as you know. The Muslims are killers and they are not innocent in this fight for the land.

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me: Are the Zionist Jews innocent, who began terrorizing Palestine in 1948, and have continued doing so ever since?  There are CHRISTIANS in Palestine too! Am I to rejoice as if it’s God who’s destroying Palestine?

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Christian: They put their wives and children in the front line to be killed while the men are hiding in a protected area. The Muslims are playing the victim for their wives and children who are caught in crossfire, in hopes to gain the USA’s help to fight against the Jewish people and to hate them for what it appears to be happening. The Muslims want you to hate all Jewish people that would include you too. Their goal is to destroy all of the Jewish people not to stop once they gain the land.  Do you not believe that once they get this land back they won’t stop killing the Jewish people? You say you are a Jew though you should not be afraid, but you should know they are killing all Jewish people and Christians who are among themselves and all over the world as they too are spread out among the world. It is on their agenda to take over the world. Yes, the innocence on both sides are dying because of this fight. It is a shame and heartbreaking for those who believe what they are doing is right.[emphasis mine]

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me: Amen to that last statement. I know that ISIS plans to take over the world for allah (Satan). They will continue killing not only Jews, but everyone else, including other muslims.
But I also understand from their own leader’s words that the unbelieving/Zionist Jews are also planning to rule the world. They already rule the most powerful nation on earth, and boast about it. They control the “Federal” Reserve bank, which prints dollars backed with nothing, and through that witchcraft they control many kingdoms, crashing economies at will.  I don’t believe they will be content to stop at the genetic cleansing of Palestine. Those who have supported their present genocide will have to reap what they have sewn. It will come right where they live; to their doorstep. Their children will be killed in front of their eyes and they will be greatly oppressed, just as the Palestinians are now being.

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Christian: I hope this helps for I must go to work now any other questions will have to wait. I just read you last message to me. Asking me if I’m ignorant to that which you know to be true. Please, leave that kind of talk away from this or any conversation we may have together in the future.

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me: I’m sorry my question offended you because of the use of the word “ignorant”. I hope you will reconsider this shocking statement: “Your stance reminds me of the crowd crying out to free ‘Barabbas’.

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Christian: I already said I don’t agree with the bloodshed & if you chose to not believe me that is upon you not me.

 I need to go now Shalom

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me: Christian, if you don’t agree with the bloodshed, how then, without bloodshed (unless all those non-Jewish people who lived in Palestine prior to 1948, and all their children just pack up and leave “Israel, the Jewish state”) do you suppose Ezekiel 28:25,26 could be fulfilled?
I believe God’s word was fulfilled in Ezra’s day.  Ezra recorded its fulfillment. They didn’t fight the Assyrian army. God put it into the king of Assyria’s heart to let them rebuild, and they did. The seventy weeks prophecy in Dan 9:25 refers to it:

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Ezr 1:1  Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,
Ezr 1:2  Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.
Ezr 1:3  Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

Dan 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

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There is ONE way of peace for all, Jew or Gentile. There are not two gospels, there are not two different active covenants; one for Jews, and another for Gentiles. There is ONE hope, ONE way, ONE gospel. Without faith in Jesus, it is impossible to please God or be in covenant with him, or in grace, or inherit any promises.

May the love and light of the gospel permeate your soul and give you and your children peace.

Love in Christ,
Smashing Idols

“Do you think most Jews are willing to obey Jesus’ teachings?”

 

I don’t believe the majority of ANY RACE is willing to obey Jesus’ teachings. I agree with scripture:

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

But, you asked specifically about most of the “Jews”, so I will answer like this:

IF the majority of the “Jews” [if you mean those living in the land called “Israel”] are content to follow no God, or “the tradition of the elders” found in the Jewish Talmud and the Kabbalah, and continue to rejoice in murder and oppression for gain, then no, they will reject the new wine [Jesus Christ], and remain drunken on man-made spirituality unto death. If the majority of them chose to humble themselves, and will allow the Spirit of God to convict their evil hearts, and draw them to repent and to “do the truth”, even at the cost of being hated by their own families, then they WILL come to the light, lay down their lives and their guns, take up the cross, and love their enemies, and follow Christ’s example. There IS no other way for Jews [or those usurping that title] or anyone else in the world to be saved. Jn 14:6; 5:23; 15:23; 2Jn 1:9-11

 

“Do the Jews deserve the homeland that was established in the OT by God?”

 

What did God say about that?

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Deu 28:20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
Deu 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
Deu 28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
Deu 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
Deu 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
Deu 28:52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Deu 28:63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and YE SHALL BE PLUCKED FROM OFF THE LAND whither thou goest to possess it.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the
name of the Lord [Jesus the messiah].

Contrary to popular “Christian” Zionist deception, the Jews must believe in Jesus NOW to be in covenant with God, for he honors no other way of hope to ANYONE, outside of faith in Jesus.

Jews don’t get saved by choosing EITHER Moses OR Jesus. Had they believed Moses, they would have believed Jesus, for Moses wrote of him. There IS no more animal sacrifice for sin, and God will not “deal with the Jews” during an imagined future 7 year period of re-instated sacrifices. Scripture offers no hope in a coming messiah for those who reject Jesus. NOW, Before Christ returns, is the only appointed time to be saved, for only now can anyone exibit faith. We are saved by hope, but hope that is seen is not hope Rom 8:24. As it will be too late for any Gentile to believe and be saved when he sees Jesus return, even so, it will also be too late then for any Jew who had rejected him till he returns. EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord when they see him come, every Jew and every Gentile! The Jews have been given no special promise of salvation based on having been born a Jew. Those who promise Jews salvation at the hour Jesus comes, based on their race – are damnable hereticks; racist false prophets. They are also liars who condemn this truth as “antisemitic”. There could be no greater hatred for the Jewish race than to promise them salvation based on race, for it is a lie that will snare them into hell, as it will everyone else who supports every war Zionism demands.

Isa 1:2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Isa 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
Isa 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
Isa 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gift$, and followeth after reward$: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

Isa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: [wherever the LORD would have them go live in peace]
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse [Jesus] and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Those in Israel today are no closer to God now than those in the first century, whom God destroyed because of unbelief. They have made laws against Christ, and against his word, and hate Christians, but see hirelings like John Hagee as “useful idiots”.

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; HIM SHALL YE HEAR in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that EVERY SOUL WHICH WILL NOT HEAR THAT PROPHET SHALL BE DESTROYED FROM AMONG THE PEOPLE.
Act 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall ALL THE KINDREDS (nations) of the earth be blessed.
Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

God’s promise of blessing applies to both Jew and Gentile Gal 3:5-29. God is no respecter of persons Acts 10:34-35; Rom 2:11; Ja 2:1-9. Abraham’s seed is CHRIST. God never promised to bless Abraham’s “seeds”, but his “seed”, which is Christ Gal 3:16. If a man of ANY nation is in Christ, HE IS ABRAHAM’S SEED, AND AN HEIR OF THE PROMISE. The new covenant promised no earthly land to anyone, but an heavenly kingdom. God was not ashamed to be called God by those who sought no continuing EARTHLY city. So what does that say for those who steal, murder, and oppress for land? Is God honored to be called THEIR God?

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly THEY SEEK A COUNTRY.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now THEY DESIRE A BETTER COUNTRY, THAT IS, AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

 

“Do governments have a responsibility to protect it’s citizens from harm? Is Hamas defending themselves or have they for years been lobbing missiles and rockets upon Israel unprovoked?”

 

Which government do you suppose has the right to respect one race over another, to come into a nation where people have been living for centuries, cut down their fruit and olive trees, bulldoze their houses, and claim the land because their forefathers lived there two centuries earlier, and claim God gives them the ENTITLEMENT to do this wickedness? Which government is free to deceive a foreign nation through media into thinking they have the “right” to call the protesting  majority “terrorists”, whom they have oppressed, murdered, reduced them to refuge status, confined behind walls and occupied by police state power for for 65 years? Do the oppressed have any right to protest genocide, or are they “not a people” because a U.S.- favored gov hates them?

Who do you suppose is unprovoked?

Do you know of any other people who wouldn’t protest what the Jews have done to the Palestinians, had the Jews done the same thing to them?
This is in NO WAY justifying the murderous response that Hamas has given to Israel.

 

“The Jews are hated all over the world by Muslims, Nazis, and others, where do you propose they should live?”

 

The Zionist’s motto USED to be “A land without a people for a people without a land”. Sounds like a good idea, doesn’t it? But they didn’t quite live up to that ideal, did they? Palestine was not a land without a people. The Zionists intended from the beginning to go in and kick every Arab out, or put them behind an “Iron wall” until they annihilated them all, according to Zionist leader’s own words. If people would simply research the history of Zionism, the facts are readily available, but most are content to follow the crowd, believe the media, AIPAC and CUFI, and remain in darkness, for fear of being labeled “anti-Semitic”. I speak this, a Jew myself.  As you might have already guessed, I’m not afraid of being  slandered with either the anti-semitc” label, or the “self-hating Jew” label. Both are merely a shallow joke, cleverly designed to gain sympathy for the evils of Zionism, which only a fool refuses to discern.The Zionists themselves admit this, and have boasted of its effectiveness.

Would you approve of the Zionist Jews coming to your state with their present murderous entitlement mindset, and appreciate getting herded into a concentration camp, where everyday life is impossible, so “God’s chosen people” could fulfill their dreams and be “blessed”, while you suffer the loss of your children and everything else? Do you really believe their ethnic cleansing will stop in the land of Israel, when the Zionist leaders have stated global aspirations?

In response to the video that claims “a nation becomes sick when the Jews leave” -,, any nation will suffer when a substantial number of its productive citizens leave. But to present that fact as if it’s exclusively due to Jewish departures is obviously racist. That is the theme of that video, and I, as a Jew, find it quite sickening.

I am alarmed at the increasing Muslim population in the U.S. and in other free nations, because the “peaceful” Muslims don’t stand up against the violence of the militant ones, who actually obey the Koran’s anti-christian teachings. Neither does the sleeping U.S. gov make sufficient efforts to protect the American people from this rising threat, but spends billions aiding their enemies. This gov has been for years robbing taxpayers of billions – only to protect itself. Let the rest eat cake…let them entertain themselves with all the demons of Hollywood, “music”, health “care”, and the brainwashing media, denominations, and let them think they have a say in elections by allowing them to continue voting for the same corrupt political parties, [which both continue toward a NWO] – until they’re robbed of their last worthless “federal” reserve debt note, so that they are no longer useful-then they will be eventually be eliminated like the Gazans are being now.

The wicked reap what they sow. American “Christians” have forgotten God and buildeth up the synagogue of Satan with blood.

It appears the threat of obedient Islamics will grow so great worldwide, that only Christ’s second [final] coming will eliminate it. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.

An eternal security proponent made this statement:

BillyD_fm_TN4: Do you not understand that ETERNAL LIFE is ETERNAL?  You may fall out of favor with God after having had his gift of ETERNAL LIFE bestowed on you, but He knew that would happen BEFORE He ever gave you eternal life to begin with.

I replied:

Eternal life is our HOPE. We’re saved by hope, but hope that is seen is no longer hope, for what a man sees, why would he yet hope for it? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience (endurance) wait for it; Rom 8:24-25.  Also, eternal life was eternal BEFORE we obtained the hope of it, so billy’s argument falls flat.

BillyD_fm_TN4:  You cant UNDO what is ETERNAL.

I replied:

No, we can’t. Scripture says He alone has immortality now.

1Ti 6:16  Our Lord Jesus Christ ALONE has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

If a person who had once believed in Jesus hardens his heart against Christ, and perishes in his sin, his falling away CANNOT effect the promise of eternal life to the faithful. Even if one no longer possesses it, eternal life will remain eternal. Just as if one misses a plane to Atlanta, it will still get there with all it’s other passengers, only without him. As in Matt 25’s parable of the wise and foolish virgins, even though all 10 virgins had lamps, only those who were ready inherited eternal life when the bridegroom came. Believers who fail the grace of God and do not overcome will have their names blotted out of the Lamb’s book of life, while the overcomer’s names will remain there: Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. This next verse proves that one can have his name removed from the book of life because of his sin: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The following is what the eternal word of God  says can happen to those who once believed, and we can’t undo what is eternal. Just as we who have repented of sin and are presently walking with Jesus have the hope and promise of eternal life IF we continue in His Word and abide in Christ, even so we are promised by the Eternal Word of God that if we don’t abide in Christ, we can be cut off and die in sin and be cast into the fire of hell. God’s way is EQUAL, but many think that from the point one is saved, it’s IMPOSSIBLE for him to fall away from Jesus and return to his vomit… or that even if he does, it can’t affect his salvation!

Scripture warns that even though you’ve once truly believed in Jesus Christ, you CAN still choose to:

1. stop believing.  Luke 8:13
2. harden your heart Heb 3:12, and deny Him AFTER having escaped the pollutions of this world through the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, and your latter end can become worse than before you knew Him. 2Pet 2:20-22
3. draw back unto perdition instead of believing to the saving of the soul. Heb 10:39
4. depart from the faith you once possessed by giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. 1Tim 4:1
5. turn aside unto satan. 1Tim 5:15
6. make shipwreck of your faith and blaspheme God 1Tim 1:19-20
7. get spewed out of the body of Christ Rev 3:16
8. fail to yield to grace and sell your birthright for one morsel of meat  Heb 12:16
9. become a castaway after having preached to others if you won’t keep your body under subjection to God 1Cor 9:27
10 become worthless salt, good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden underfoot of men Matt 5:13
11. be cut off as a worthless branch; withered, hewn down, and cast into the fire if you don’t bear good fruit and abide in Christ  Mat 3:10; Matt 7:19; John 15:6
12. have your candlestick removed out of it’s place Rev 2:5
13. be cast into a bed of adultery with false teachers and killed with death if you won’t repent of fornication with the doctrine Jezebel Rev 2:20-23
15. begin to teach doctrines that Jesus hates, causing both you and your students to fight against God. Rev 2:14-16
16. fail to overcome by not having an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches, and by not keeping Christ’s works to the end, and have your name blotted out of the book of life, and be hurt of the second death. Rev 2:11; 3:5
17. be delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh 1Cor 5
18. be sent a strong delusion for not receiving the love of the truth and end up damned because of taking pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thes 2:10-12
19. Grieve the Holy Spirit Eph 4:30
20. sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, and receive a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation which will devour God’s adversaries Heb 10:26
21. fail to resist the devil and devoured 1Pet 5:8; James 4:7; taken captive by him at his will to do his will  2Ti 2:26; Gal 5:1
21. be deceived by either false prophets/teachers, or by your own self because of not taking heed to do God’s will. Matt 24:4,5,11,23,24; James 1:22
22. let your lamp go out by failing to keep extra oil in your vessel, and be shut out of God’s kingdom. Matt 25:1-13
23. bury your gift under the earth (flesh) and not render to Jesus the fruit of what He planted in you, and get your gift taken from you and be cast out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt 25:14-30
24. depart from laboring with or even fellowshipping a true man of God by choosing to love this present evil world, even after ministering with him. 2Ti 4:10
25. call Jesus Lord and not do what he says to do. Luke 6:46; Titus 1:16; 1John 2:4
26. fail to forgive others as you have been forgiven, and get your original sin debt re-instated. Matt 18:20-35; 6:14-15
27. forsake the right way and go astray, following the way of Balaam, loving the wages of unrighteousness 2Pet 2:15
28. become a cursed child 2Pet 2:14
29. defile the Temple of God 1Cor 3:17; 2Thes 2:3-4; sneak damnable heresies into the church, such as turning grace into a license to sin, and deny the Lord that bought you, and bring upon yourself swift destruction. 2Pet 2:1; Jude 1:4
30. walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government, and die in your sins, being presumptuous and self-willed; having no fear of God to speak evil of people who are righteous. 2Pet 2:10
31. think you stand, yet fall. 1Cor 1:12
32. speak evil of the things you don’t understand and utterly perish in your own corruption. 2Pet 2:12
33. receive the reward of unrighteousness, like the unsaved 2Pe 2:13
34. become a Spot and a blemish, sporting yourself with your own deceivings while you feast with true brethren 2Pet 2:13
35. have eyes full of adultery that cannot cease from sin 2Pet 2:14
36. deceive other unstable souls 2Pet 2:14
37. exercise your heart with covetous practices 2Pet 2:14; Jer 6:13; Ezek 33:31; Luke 12:15; Rom 1:29
38. Become a well without water, a cloud carried about with a tempest, to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 2Pet 2:17
39. fail the grace of God and defile others with bitterness in your  heart Heb 12:15
40. speak great swelling words of vanity, alluring through the lusts of the flesh and much wantonness, those that were clean, and had escaped from them who live in error. 2Pet 2:18 By doing so, you can promise naïve, unstable souls liberty, while serving corruption yourself. 2Pet 2:14, 18-19
41. be overcome of evil and brought into bondage.Rom 12:21; 2Pet 2:19
42. turn aside to other gods after God did you good. Exo 32:8; Josh 24:20
43. be a rebellious child who covers with a covering but not of God’s spirit, so that you can feel good about adding sin to sin. Is 30:1
44. begin to say “peace and safety” to the wicked or your own unrepentant heart, and be unable to escape from sudden destruction. 1Thes 5:3; Jer 23:1; 11-17; 6:14; Isa 48:22
45. begin thinking that weekly attendance to a place you esteem as the “Temple of the Lord” is your license to lie, steal, commit abomination, and do every wicked thing, believing that you can’t do anything evil enough to cause you to lose salvation.  Jer 7:2-16
46. desire to return to the same or worse bondage that you were under before you met Jesus, and “go back to Egypt”. Heb 11:15; Act 7:39
47. begin to imagine that getting to church on time is more important than the poor and needy. James 2:1-9
48. exalt yourself, thinking of yourself as righteous and despise others Luke 18:9
49. turn from the holy commandments of Jesus Christ 2Pet 2:21
50. become as a dog who is turned to his own vomit again; and as a sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.  2Pet 2:22
51. err from the faith and become a sinner heading toward death. James 5:19-20
52. forsake your righteousness and do according to all the abominations of the wicked and die in sin. Ezek 18:24-26
53. be wearied and faint in your minds. Heb 12:3
54. yield to sin unto death Rom 6:16
55. trod under foot the Son of God, and count the blood of the covenant wherewith you were sanctified, an unholy thing, and do despite unto the Spirit of grace Heb 12:15
56. faint when the Lord rebukes you. Heb 12:3
57. become a bastard by refusing chastisment. Heb 12:8
58: become vain in your imaginations, and your foolish heart can become so dark you’ll profess to be wise while being a fool. Rom 1:18-32
59. be turned over to your own lust because of not receiving God’s chastening, and you can become a sodomite, even while knowing that those who do such things are worthy of death. You can take pleasure in those who do such evils. Rom 1:18-32
60. think that since you’re the elect, and that now that       you’ve been ‘sealed’, that doing all the above things can’t affect your salvation! Jude 1:4; Jer 23:17; Mal 2:17; Prov 24:24; Isa 5:23
61. lust after evil things and be killed by God 1Co 10:5
62. become an idolater 1Co 10:7
63. become a fornicator 1Cor 10:8
64. tempt Christ and be destroyed 1Cor 10:9
65. murmur and be destroyed of the destroyer. 1Cor 10:10
66: fail to take the way God gives you to escape temptation 1Cor 10:13
67. forsake the Lord and be consumed Deu 31:16; Jos 24:20; 1Ch 28:9; 2Ch 15:2; Isa 1:28; 2Ch 24:20; Isa 65:11; Jer 17:13; Deu 28:20; Deu 29:25; Jdg 10:10; 1Sa 12:10; 1Ki 18:18; 1Ki 19:10; 2Ch 12:5; 2Ch 13:11; 2Ch 21:10; 2Ch 24:24; 2Ch 28:6; 2Ch 29:6; Isa 1:4; Jer 2:17; Jer 2:19; Jer 5:19; Jer 9:13-16;  /  Jer 15:6; Jer 16:10-13; Jer 17:13; Jer 22:8-10; Jer 2:13
68.  receive the grace of God in vain.  2Cor 6:1
69. eat and drink the Word of the Lord unworthily, and so eat and drink damnation to yourself, not discerning the Lord’s body, since He is the Word of God. 1Cor 11:27-30
70. fail to make straight paths for one’s feet, so that his lame walk gets turned out of the way of the Lord, because he refused to receive correction and be healed. Heb 12:13

Paul warned the Galatians who had once been Christians that they had:

1. So soon been removed from Christ
2. Been bewitched and hindered so they stopped obeying the truth
3. Desired and turned back to walk in the bondage of weak and beggarly elements
4. Fallen from grace, and Christ had become of no effect unto them

AFTER they had:

1. Received believed the gospel,
2. Received the Holy Ghost and obeyed the truth
3. Begun to walk in the Spirit
4. Knew God been known of God
5. Ran well.

Heb 10:31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Jesus told the churches in Asia (Rev 2 and 3) that He knew their works, both good and bad, and that they had :

1. Left their first love
2. A name that they lived but they were dead
3. Become lukewarm, nigh to being rejected.
4. Started fellowshipping with false teachers and their hated doctrines and deeds.
5. Some had defiled their garments
6. Fallen and needed to repent and do the first works again.

Paul did not speak so encouragingly to the Galatians as he had to the Philippians, because the Galatians did not steadfastly abide in Christ like the Philippians were. The Philippians were always obeying God, even when Paul was absent, but not so the Galatians. This is why Paul was confident that God would complete the work He had begun in the Philippians. Because they were OBEDIENT, they qualified as the SHEEP; they did not hear the voice of strangers teaching lies like the Galatians were guilty of doing; they fled from liars, even from those who rose up  among them speaking perverse things. They WORKED OUT their salvation with fear and trembling.