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An eternal security proponent made this statement:

BillyD_fm_TN4: Do you not understand that ETERNAL LIFE is ETERNAL?  You may fall out of favor with God after having had his gift of ETERNAL LIFE bestowed on you, but He knew that would happen BEFORE He ever gave you eternal life to begin with.

I replied:

Eternal life is our HOPE. We’re saved by hope, but hope that is seen is no longer hope, for what a man sees, why would he yet hope for it? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience (endurance) wait for it; Rom 8:24-25.  Also, eternal life was eternal BEFORE we obtained the hope of it, so billy’s argument falls flat.

BillyD_fm_TN4:  You cant UNDO what is ETERNAL.

I replied:

No, we can’t. Scripture says He alone has immortality now.

1Ti 6:16  Our Lord Jesus Christ ALONE has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

If a person who had once believed in Jesus hardens his heart against Christ, and perishes in his sin, his falling away CANNOT effect the promise of eternal life to the faithful. Even if one no longer possesses it, eternal life will remain eternal. Just as if one misses a plane to Atlanta, it will still get there with all it’s other passengers, only without him. As in Matt 25’s parable of the wise and foolish virgins, even though all 10 virgins had lamps, only those who were ready inherited eternal life when the bridegroom came. Believers who fail the grace of God and do not overcome will have their names blotted out of the Lamb’s book of life, while the overcomer’s names will remain there: Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. This next verse proves that one can have his name removed from the book of life because of his sin: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The following is what the eternal word of God  says can happen to those who once believed, and we can’t undo what is eternal. Just as we who have repented of sin and are presently walking with Jesus have the hope and promise of eternal life IF we continue in His Word and abide in Christ, even so we are promised by the Eternal Word of God that if we don’t abide in Christ, we can be cut off and die in sin and be cast into the fire of hell. God’s way is EQUAL, but many think that from the point one is saved, it’s IMPOSSIBLE for him to fall away from Jesus and return to his vomit… or that even if he does, it can’t affect his salvation!

Scripture warns that even though you’ve once truly believed in Jesus Christ, you CAN still choose to:

1. stop believing.  Luke 8:13
2. harden your heart Heb 3:12, and deny Him AFTER having escaped the pollutions of this world through the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, and your latter end can become worse than before you knew Him. 2Pet 2:20-22
3. draw back unto perdition instead of believing to the saving of the soul. Heb 10:39
4. depart from the faith you once possessed by giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. 1Tim 4:1
5. turn aside unto satan. 1Tim 5:15
6. make shipwreck of your faith and blaspheme God 1Tim 1:19-20
7. get spewed out of the body of Christ Rev 3:16
8. fail to yield to grace and sell your birthright for one morsel of meat  Heb 12:16
9. become a castaway after having preached to others if you won’t keep your body under subjection to God 1Cor 9:27
10 become worthless salt, good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden underfoot of men Matt 5:13
11. be cut off as a worthless branch; withered, hewn down, and cast into the fire if you don’t bear good fruit and abide in Christ  Mat 3:10; Matt 7:19; John 15:6
12. have your candlestick removed out of it’s place Rev 2:5
13. be cast into a bed of adultery with false teachers and killed with death if you won’t repent of fornication with the doctrine Jezebel Rev 2:20-23
15. begin to teach doctrines that Jesus hates, causing both you and your students to fight against God. Rev 2:14-16
16. fail to overcome by not having an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches, and by not keeping Christ’s works to the end, and have your name blotted out of the book of life, and be hurt of the second death. Rev 2:11; 3:5
17. be delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh 1Cor 5
18. be sent a strong delusion for not receiving the love of the truth and end up damned because of taking pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thes 2:10-12
19. Grieve the Holy Spirit Eph 4:30
20. sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, and receive a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation which will devour God’s adversaries Heb 10:26
21. fail to resist the devil and devoured 1Pet 5:8; James 4:7; taken captive by him at his will to do his will  2Ti 2:26; Gal 5:1
21. be deceived by either false prophets/teachers, or by your own self because of not taking heed to do God’s will. Matt 24:4,5,11,23,24; James 1:22
22. let your lamp go out by failing to keep extra oil in your vessel, and be shut out of God’s kingdom. Matt 25:1-13
23. bury your gift under the earth (flesh) and not render to Jesus the fruit of what He planted in you, and get your gift taken from you and be cast out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt 25:14-30
24. depart from laboring with or even fellowshipping a true man of God by choosing to love this present evil world, even after ministering with him. 2Ti 4:10
25. call Jesus Lord and not do what he says to do. Luke 6:46; Titus 1:16; 1John 2:4
26. fail to forgive others as you have been forgiven, and get your original sin debt re-instated. Matt 18:20-35; 6:14-15
27. forsake the right way and go astray, following the way of Balaam, loving the wages of unrighteousness 2Pet 2:15
28. become a cursed child 2Pet 2:14
29. defile the Temple of God 1Cor 3:17; 2Thes 2:3-4; sneak damnable heresies into the church, such as turning grace into a license to sin, and deny the Lord that bought you, and bring upon yourself swift destruction. 2Pet 2:1; Jude 1:4
30. walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government, and die in your sins, being presumptuous and self-willed; having no fear of God to speak evil of people who are righteous. 2Pet 2:10
31. think you stand, yet fall. 1Cor 1:12
32. speak evil of the things you don’t understand and utterly perish in your own corruption. 2Pet 2:12
33. receive the reward of unrighteousness, like the unsaved 2Pe 2:13
34. become a Spot and a blemish, sporting yourself with your own deceivings while you feast with true brethren 2Pet 2:13
35. have eyes full of adultery that cannot cease from sin 2Pet 2:14
36. deceive other unstable souls 2Pet 2:14
37. exercise your heart with covetous practices 2Pet 2:14; Jer 6:13; Ezek 33:31; Luke 12:15; Rom 1:29
38. Become a well without water, a cloud carried about with a tempest, to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 2Pet 2:17
39. fail the grace of God and defile others with bitterness in your  heart Heb 12:15
40. speak great swelling words of vanity, alluring through the lusts of the flesh and much wantonness, those that were clean, and had escaped from them who live in error. 2Pet 2:18 By doing so, you can promise naïve, unstable souls liberty, while serving corruption yourself. 2Pet 2:14, 18-19
41. be overcome of evil and brought into bondage.Rom 12:21; 2Pet 2:19
42. turn aside to other gods after God did you good. Exo 32:8; Josh 24:20
43. be a rebellious child who covers with a covering but not of God’s spirit, so that you can feel good about adding sin to sin. Is 30:1
44. begin to say “peace and safety” to the wicked or your own unrepentant heart, and be unable to escape from sudden destruction. 1Thes 5:3; Jer 23:1; 11-17; 6:14; Isa 48:22
45. begin thinking that weekly attendance to a place you esteem as the “Temple of the Lord” is your license to lie, steal, commit abomination, and do every wicked thing, believing that you can’t do anything evil enough to cause you to lose salvation.  Jer 7:2-16
46. desire to return to the same or worse bondage that you were under before you met Jesus, and “go back to Egypt”. Heb 11:15; Act 7:39
47. begin to imagine that getting to church on time is more important than the poor and needy. James 2:1-9
48. exalt yourself, thinking of yourself as righteous and despise others Luke 18:9
49. turn from the holy commandments of Jesus Christ 2Pet 2:21
50. become as a dog who is turned to his own vomit again; and as a sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.  2Pet 2:22
51. err from the faith and become a sinner heading toward death. James 5:19-20
52. forsake your righteousness and do according to all the abominations of the wicked and die in sin. Ezek 18:24-26
53. be wearied and faint in your minds. Heb 12:3
54. yield to sin unto death Rom 6:16
55. trod under foot the Son of God, and count the blood of the covenant wherewith you were sanctified, an unholy thing, and do despite unto the Spirit of grace Heb 12:15
56. faint when the Lord rebukes you. Heb 12:3
57. become a bastard by refusing chastisment. Heb 12:8
58: become vain in your imaginations, and your foolish heart can become so dark you’ll profess to be wise while being a fool. Rom 1:18-32
59. be turned over to your own lust because of not receiving God’s chastening, and you can become a sodomite, even while knowing that those who do such things are worthy of death. You can take pleasure in those who do such evils. Rom 1:18-32
60. think that since you’re the elect, and that now that       you’ve been ‘sealed’, that doing all the above things can’t affect your salvation! Jude 1:4; Jer 23:17; Mal 2:17; Prov 24:24; Isa 5:23
61. lust after evil things and be killed by God 1Co 10:5
62. become an idolater 1Co 10:7
63. become a fornicator 1Cor 10:8
64. tempt Christ and be destroyed 1Cor 10:9
65. murmur and be destroyed of the destroyer. 1Cor 10:10
66: fail to take the way God gives you to escape temptation 1Cor 10:13
67. forsake the Lord and be consumed Deu 31:16; Jos 24:20; 1Ch 28:9; 2Ch 15:2; Isa 1:28; 2Ch 24:20; Isa 65:11; Jer 17:13; Deu 28:20; Deu 29:25; Jdg 10:10; 1Sa 12:10; 1Ki 18:18; 1Ki 19:10; 2Ch 12:5; 2Ch 13:11; 2Ch 21:10; 2Ch 24:24; 2Ch 28:6; 2Ch 29:6; Isa 1:4; Jer 2:17; Jer 2:19; Jer 5:19; Jer 9:13-16;  /  Jer 15:6; Jer 16:10-13; Jer 17:13; Jer 22:8-10; Jer 2:13
68.  receive the grace of God in vain.  2Cor 6:1
69. eat and drink the Word of the Lord unworthily, and so eat and drink damnation to yourself, not discerning the Lord’s body, since He is the Word of God. 1Cor 11:27-30
70. fail to make straight paths for one’s feet, so that his lame walk gets turned out of the way of the Lord, because he refused to receive correction and be healed. Heb 12:13

Paul warned the Galatians who had once been Christians that they had:

1. So soon been removed from Christ
2. Been bewitched and hindered so they stopped obeying the truth
3. Desired and turned back to walk in the bondage of weak and beggarly elements
4. Fallen from grace, and Christ had become of no effect unto them

AFTER they had:

1. Received believed the gospel,
2. Received the Holy Ghost and obeyed the truth
3. Begun to walk in the Spirit
4. Knew God been known of God
5. Ran well.

Heb 10:31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Jesus told the churches in Asia (Rev 2 and 3) that He knew their works, both good and bad, and that they had :

1. Left their first love
2. A name that they lived but they were dead
3. Become lukewarm, nigh to being rejected.
4. Started fellowshipping with false teachers and their hated doctrines and deeds.
5. Some had defiled their garments
6. Fallen and needed to repent and do the first works again.

Paul did not speak so encouragingly to the Galatians as he had to the Philippians, because the Galatians did not steadfastly abide in Christ like the Philippians were. The Philippians were always obeying God, even when Paul was absent, but not so the Galatians. This is why Paul was confident that God would complete the work He had begun in the Philippians. Because they were OBEDIENT, they qualified as the SHEEP; they did not hear the voice of strangers teaching lies like the Galatians were guilty of doing; they fled from liars, even from those who rose up  among them speaking perverse things. They WORKED OUT their salvation with fear and trembling.



    • webster, your comment was left to show just how weak your argument is. It sounds conspicuously like Satan’s question to Eve: “Hath God said?”, as he tried to make God seem like a liar, denying His holy word, and saying “ye shall not surely die”.
      The “one commandment” you imagine to be all sufficient to obtain and never lose salvation is proven by your own comment to be taken out of context and twisted.

  1. Mat_5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

  2. So it’s up to us to stay saved?!?!? Where’s the power in the cross and what’s the point of Christ even dying for us?

    • The power in the cross is in the blood of Jesus Christ, which is able to cleanse a person from all sin [1John 1:7&9]. Jesus means savior, and he was named that because he came to SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM (not IN) THEIR SINS.

      Mat_1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

      Jas_5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

      Christ Jesus did not die so you could be free to sin as you please. If you live after the flesh, you will die in your sins, but if you deny yourself, and take up your cross daily by crucifying your lusts and your pride through yielding to the Holy Spirit, you will live eternally.

      Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
      Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

      Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
      Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

      Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
      Rom 6:2 God forbid.
      Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
      Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
      Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
      Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
      Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
      Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

      1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
      1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
      1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
      1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    • Anthony that is a different topic entirely. Jesus provided the covenant for salvation we could never earn or make with God the father by our own efforts….but we must always choose to remain in covenant with Him, we never lose our free will choice after getting saved. We must always choose to have faith and agree to the terms of the binding agreement (another name for covenant). That is what “working out our salvation with fear and trembling” means.

  3. “17. be delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh 1Cor 5”

    How about actually quote the whole sentence?

    “So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.”
    1st Corinthians 5:4-5

    Now I do not believe in once saved always saved…but this article has obvious errors.

    • Destruction of the flesh in this verse obviously doesn’t indicate death. God doesn’t kill those who commit deadly sins on order to later save them. No chastening is joyous but grievous, yet is able to produce the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who humble their heart to God, recognize their punishment, and repent.

      Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
      Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
      Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
      Jon 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
      Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
      Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
      Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

  4. please do not take verses out of scripture out of their context Smashing Idlos

    • that’s an empty correction unless you offer some understanding with context that differs from the point i make

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